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Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
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Joe Geiser <[log in to unmask]>
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Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:40:49 -0500
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Mike,
 
MPE has APIs as well, they're called Intrinsics though.
 
MPE is as open as NT -- both have the POSIX layer.
 
As a person who knows both rather intimately, as a few others on this group,
let me say this, Unix can be tuned at the kernel level - which is where Unix
admins get into trouble.  MPE has no such need, as its performance speaks
for itself.
 
Lastly, I advocate the integration of the two.  There are things that are
better suited for NT, there are things that are better suited for MPE.  I
believe firmly however, that MPE is not a has-been and will outperform any
Unix box brought to bear.  One of my MPE boxes performs DNS, acts as my Mail
gateway, has Apache running on it as well as Samba (two versions, not
simultaneously).  
 
OK, Lastly - proprietary is in the eye of the beholder.  Unix is proprietary
to two entities as there are two flavours of Unix, then it gets broken down
into which shell..  but the fact is, Unix is proprietary, NT is proprietary,
MPE, OS400, VMS are all proprietary.  Most of these OSes have one common
thread though, most all are POSIX compliant, which makes them most of them
all "open".  That's where the openess comes from.
 
So, to say that an OS that outlived all other operating systems from IBM (I
believe, there may be one exception), and the associated box that runs it is
in the prime of its life, and now on the way out, is simply not true.   It
can do darn near whatever a Unix box can, with very few exceptions, and do
it better, with more stablilty, with a more robust DBMS (actually, 2 DBMSes)
- no Unix box can touch it, and NT can't hold a candle to it.  Oh yes - we
work closely with Microsoft and have respect for them and for NT, but NT
can't hold a candle to MPE, and that;s why we advocate interoperability...
 
(Watch our site - it gets published tomorrow - MPE/NT integration in the
entire site!  Make sure your Java VM is up and running).
 
Regards,
Joe Geiser
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike C. Whitener [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 8:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: FW: HP 3000 Outdated


NT is without a doubt more open than MPE. API's are the primary foundation
for programming interfaces when developing Microsoft products and can be
linked to more, "off the shelf" software. And UNIX and Linux speak for
themselves when it comes to being open for development purposes. I think
that you misunderstood me. NT of course is not a transaction server platform
and couldn't compete with the 3000 on that level. But even saying that, you
cannot argue that MPE on a HP3000 can outperform an operating system such as
UNIX where the kernel can be customized for maximum processing efficiency.
The HP3000 has its place, and is a stable operating system, but will fade
away as companies become more and more leery of being backed into
proprietary corners when it comes to things such a support and development.
I would also be biased if I had spent the greater part of my life
specializing in one platform. And I take no offense to everyone's scrutiny.
One must be willing to get their "manhood" stepped on after making such a
statement to this kind of newsgroup:)


Mark wrote in message < [log in to unmask]
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >...
>On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:39:13 -0500, "Mike Whitener"
>< [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote:
>
>>But I do believe that it is "sunset
>>technology" due to the proprietary-ness of the operating system. Existing
>>businesses will continue to benefit from it while newer business will opt
>>for the UNIX / NT / Linux solution.
>
>Please explain: by what criteria do you consider MPE to be
>proprietary, but NT (for instance) to be open?
>---
>
>Mark Landin                   "For anyone who was never good at
>T. D. Williamson, Inc.         anything, technology has been a
>UNIX Sys. Admin                real boon" --- my mom
>

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