HP3000-L List

Re: Happy Fun Time Reboot

Jack Connor — 2012-05-15T14:27:59-07:00

Not too if you have an SLT Tape (if it's a system drive) or, if you're lucky enough to have it be a user set member, just replace it, scratch all the volumes in the set, recreate then with VOLUTIL NEWSET for the master and then NEWVOL for each member. [...]

Re: Happy Fun Time Reboot

Michel Adam — 2012-05-15T16:37:48-04:00

In a similar vein, one of our 968 has 'faulted'. Appears to be a drive. What would be the simplest procedure to recover from this? Assuming we can swap the faulty drive out, and our last full backup is still readable, how complicated is it likely to get?

Thanks

Michel Adam
Government of the NWT [...]

Re: 73GB Disc on 5.5

donna hofmeister — 2012-05-15T10:52:47-07:00

I don't know if the system would recognize all 70-some gigabytes. It
might...but I'm not sure I'd trust its ability to read/write beyond whatever
was the maximum largest disc on 5.5. I'd think a reasonable alternative
would be to attach an array (like a mod20). That way you can use physically
large discs but present 5.5-happy luns plus get some level of redundancy to
boot. - d [...]

73GB Disc on 5.5

Billy Brewer — 2012-05-15T13:08:15-04:00

Has anyone successfully configured disk larger than 36GB on MPE 5.5? Customer "may" NOT be able to migrate off of 5.5 and the only way to get the enough disc space is to try going to 73GB drives. It doesn't look like 73GB are supported, but that doesn't mean someone hasn't successfully been able to make them work. Thanks. [...]

Happy Fun Time Reboot

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-13T23:17:27+00:00

Our system went down with a bad logical sector Today during a disk to disk backup.

After it reboots, looks like I'll be running FSCHECK to find that naughty sector.

Console details for your entertainment:

Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number 0x17AC6F0 on ldev 28 (io_status=FFD90071)
Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number 0x4EBA020h on ldev 29 (io_status=FFD90071)
Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number 0x2770 on ldev 29 (io_status=FFD90071)
Bad SYSTEM LOGICAL Sector number 0x4EBA020h on ldev 29 (io_status=FFD90071) [...]

Re: JetDirect server for LPQ 1200?

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-10T14:18:53+00:00

Actually that would be preferable to use a 300X.

We have one on our LPQ 1500. The internal network port was rather flaky. So we put a JetDirect 300X on the parallel port.

Tracy Johnson
Office (757) 766-4318
tracy.johnson@meas-spec.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Mark Landin
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:09 AM
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> Subject: [HP3000-L] JetDirect server for LPQ 1200?
>
> We need to find a network print server (like a JetDirect 300x, for
> example) that we will be able to connect to our LPQ [...]

JetDirect server for LPQ 1200?

Mark Landin — 2012-05-10T09:09:16-05:00

We need to find a network print server (like a JetDirect 300x, for
example) that we will be able to connect to our LPQ 1200 that's at
another location. Anybody know of compatible models? Will the 300x
work?

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-09T09:59:35+10:00

Didn't I tell you all NOT to tell me that ?

Don't I know it!

Regards,

John Pitman

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Ranft [mailto:mark@pro3k.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 9:58 AM
To: John Pitman
Cc: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] qedit question

See this would have never been a problem if you stayed on the HP3000.

Mark Ranft

On May 8, 2012, at 6:46 PM, John Pitman wrote: [...]

Re: qedit question

Mark Ranft — 2012-05-08T18:58:20-05:00

See this would have never been a problem if you stayed on the HP3000.

Mark Ranft

On May 8, 2012, at 6:46 PM, John Pitman wrote:

> Neil,
>
> I just tried - text in, add some blank lines to the end , KQ as a new name, works fine. Adding more lines makes it recalculate the size, even though it still uses 1276b VA, it works this way.
> That will resolve the issue for me, its not a common occurrence working with VA files (only for migration off the hp).
>
> /t nzbank
> QEDITSCR
[...]

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-09T09:46:19+10:00

Neil,

I just tried - text in, add some blank lines to the end , KQ as a new name, works fine. Adding more lines makes it recalculate the size, even though it still uses 1276b VA, it works this way.
That will resolve the issue for me, its not a common occurrence working with VA files (only for migration off the hp). [...]

Re: qedit question

Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) — 2012-05-08T18:57:11-04:00

The 256 recs is the size that the new file was built to be and qedit at some
point figured that it could fit the records into the variable file with a
filesize of 256. In this case it cannot. I'm still surprised that versions
from 1985 still work. I don't have any versions previous to 3.4 to test so
it was certainly interesting to look at. [...]

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-09T08:24:18+10:00

Neil,

Interesting part is the change in rec length...and count

NZBANK 256B VA 259 1000 1 512 2 *

QEDIT. Copyright Robelle Consulting Ltd. 1977,1985
(Version 3.4 )
/t nzbank
QEDITSCR
'Language' is now TEXT
259 lines in file
/kq nzbank11
NZBANK1.NZ.STOCK2K,OLD 1276B VA # of records=259 <<<<<<<1276 ??? 259 recs
Purge existing file [no]? Y
Fwrite Err: EOF
NZBANK1.NZ.STOCK2K,NEW 1276B VA # of records=256 <<<<<256 recs ??
/K cancelled!
Regards, [...]

Re: qedit question

Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) — 2012-05-08T11:36:11-04:00

Dear John,

I was going thru the source code and was trying to find ways to duplicate
and found the following in keep:

-6 << 3.4.: filesize was too small when lines were full >>

After that comment there is an adjustment to the filesize calculation.

I suspect that your var file is tightly packed and may have sequence
numbers. Peter's suggestion of texting unn may help. So it was an old bug
which was fixed, I cannot tell exactly the version it was fixed in sorry. [...]

Re: qedit question

Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) — 2012-05-08T11:11:27-04:00

John and Gilles,

Unfortunately, our bug database only goes back to 1988 and I have no record
of what the issue may have been. I am fairly certain this was an issue with
variable length files and the calculation on the filesize or a larger
blocksize was chosen and the file size was not adjusted. [...]

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-08T16:30:47+10:00

No unusual things in

listftemp,2

no numbers in file either, that I can see.

V@=

/t nzbank
QEDITSCR
'Language' is now TEXT
259 lines in file
/v@
QEDIT Version ( 3.4 ) Set Average 8 Set Addcurrent ON
Set Autoclear ON Set Batch OFF Set Check OFF
Set DL Set Decimal OFF Set Erase OFF
Set Extentsize 100 30 EXIT=SHUT and terminate Set Extprog
Set Editinput Data OFF Command OFF Extend OFF Set Filesize 3200
Set FORTRAN OFF Set Gypsy OFF Set Increment 1
Set Jump OFF
Set Justify Null Marginright Two OFF Indent
Set Keep [...]

Re: qedit question

Graydon, Peter — 2012-05-08T16:35:50+12:00

Would it be worthwhile to do a "v" or "v@" in Qedit to see what the parameters are when saving the file?
Also try "t nzbank,unn".
If there are sequential numbers in the front or end of the records in the file, Qedit may assume the file is numbered and assign a different file type or language to it. [...]

Re: qedit question

Gilles Schipper — 2012-05-07T23:23:03-04:00

Then the problem has to be related to the very old version of qedit that you're using.

I'm sure my old colleague and co-worker Neil can weigh in on this.

Gilles Schipper
Sent via mobile
416-702-7900

On 2012-05-07, at 11:12 PM, John Pitman wrote:

> Editor works fine, for replacing an existing, or creating a new file.
> Editor warned of truncation to 255 byte rec lens.
>
> Only oddity I can see is the file is TAB separated fields.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gilles Schipper [mailto:gsainc@rogers.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:46 PM
[...]

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-08T13:12:06+10:00

Editor works fine, for replacing an existing, or creating a new file.
Editor warned of truncation to 255 byte rec lens.

Only oddity I can see is the file is TAB separated fields.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gilles Schipper [mailto:gsainc@rogers.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:46 PM
To: John Pitman
Cc: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] qedit question

Do you get the same behavior with EDITOR? [...]

Re: qedit question

Gilles Schipper — 2012-05-07T22:46:04-04:00

Do you get the same behavior with EDITOR?

Gilles Schipper
Sent via mobile
416-702-7900

On 2012-05-07, at 10:08 PM, John Pitman wrote:

> TOTALS (IN SECTORS):
>
> DEVICE SIZE : 213398848
> TRANS SPACE : 1162000 PERM SPACE : 143032992
> MAX TRANS SPACE : 195615600 MAX PERM SPACE : 195615600
>
> FREE SPACE : 69203856
> AVAIL TO TRANS SPACE : 69203856 AVAIL TO PERM SPACE : 52582608
>
> ________________________________________
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf Of Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) [newsgroups@TEAMNACONSULTING.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May 2012 11:00 AM
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> [...]

Re: qedit question

Gilles Schipper — 2012-05-07T22:29:01-04:00

Very strange.

Last thing ...

Can you show

Listf Nzbank,-2

to see if there are any acd's associated with this file.

If not, I would say there was a disk/directory issue - except for the fact you've said you can programmatically purge and re-build.

Gilles Schipper
Sent via mobile
416-702-7900

On 2012-05-07, at 10:06 PM, John Pitman wrote: [...]

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-08T12:08:15+10:00

TOTALS (IN SECTORS):

DEVICE SIZE : 213398848
TRANS SPACE : 1162000 PERM SPACE : 143032992
MAX TRANS SPACE : 195615600 MAX PERM SPACE : 195615600

FREE SPACE : 69203856
AVAIL TO TRANS SPACE : 69203856 AVAIL TO PERM SPACE : 52582608

Re: qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-08T12:06:48+10:00

:listf nzbank@,2
ACCOUNT= STOCK2K GROUP= NZ
FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----
SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX
NZBANK 256B VA 259 1000 1 512 2 *

:listeq

FILE EQUATIONS

FILE LP;DEV=6;CCTL
FILE SYSLIST;DEV=6,1,1
FILE DDS;DEV=7

:

Re: qedit question

Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) — 2012-05-07T21:00:48-04:00

Wow, Qedit 3.4 CM only, 1985.

I can do similar sequence with no problem and yes in that version. Wondering
about following:
listeq
listftemp,2
listf nzbank@,-3

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
Of Gilles Schipper
Sent: May-07-12 8:25 PM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] qedit question

Can you show us:

listf nzbank, -3

At 08:18 PM 2012-05-07, John Pitman wrote:
>Can anybody shed light on this sequence please? Logged on as MGR, full
>rights to everything, local to group.
>
>Cant either keep as another name, or the same name. Not being stored.
>Can programmatically purge [...]

Re: qedit question

Gilles Schipper — 2012-05-07T20:25:09-04:00

Can you show us:

listf nzbank, -3

At 08:18 PM 2012-05-07, John Pitman wrote:
>Can anybody shed light on this sequence please? Logged on as MGR,
>full rights to everything, local to group.
>
>Cant either keep as another name, or the same name. Not being
>stored. Can programmatically purge and recreate the file.
>
>????
>thanks
>jp
>
>
>/:listf nzb@,2
>
>ACCOUNT= STOCK2K GROUP= NZ
>
>FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----
>
>SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX
>
>NZBANK 256B VA 259 1000 1 512 2 *
>
>
>
>
>
>QEDIT. Copyright Robelle [...]

Re: qedit question

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-08T00:25:16+00:00

COPY NZBANK,NZBANK1

Then qedit NZBANK1?

Tracy Johnson
Office (757) 766-4318
tracy.johnson@meas-spec.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
> Of John Pitman
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:18 PM
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> Subject: [HP3000-L] qedit question
>
> Can anybody shed light on this sequence please? Logged on as MGR, full
> rights to everything, local to group.
>
> Cant either keep as another name, or the same name. Not being stored. Can
> programmatically purge and recreate the file.
>
> ????
> thanks
> jp
>
>
> /:listf nzb@,2
>
[...]

qedit question

John Pitman — 2012-05-08T10:18:13+10:00

Can anybody shed light on this sequence please? Logged on as MGR, full rights to everything, local to group.

Cant either keep as another name, or the same name. Not being stored. Can programmatically purge and recreate the file.

????
thanks
jp

/:listf nzb@,2

ACCOUNT= STOCK2K GROUP= NZ

FILENAME CODE ------------LOGICAL RECORD----------- ----SPACE----

SIZE TYP EOF LIMIT R/B SECTORS #X MX [...]

Re: Ill fated HP Vision project.

Ron Seybold — 2012-05-07T14:38:50-05:00

I got a report from Tom McNeal, who worked in the MPE/XL 32-bit lab from 1981 to 1992, that Vision was an architecture HP dropped in 1983.

"HPE was the original name for the first MPE/XL 32 bit machine; it was inherited from the Vision architecture that was dumped in favor of PA-RISC in 1983." [...]

Re: Spooler question

Olav Kappert — 2012-05-07T10:45:23-04:00

Joe:

Maybe one of the device names is common to both printers, and the
spooling system generally assigns files to the first open spooled device
with the same device name.

Olav Kappert.

Joe Barnett wrote:

>A quick question. When I do a spoolf @;seleq={owner=@.plant75];show i can see all the plant75 spool files.
>
>One of the columes is titled RSPFN. In this colum it has a S on some of the files.
>
>The problem I'm having is we added another plant to this system and since then previous plants spool files keep showing up on the new plant's spoolers. [...]

Re: Running Qedit inside a UDC

Olav Kappert — 2012-05-07T10:39:22-04:00

Erie:

If memory serves me well.....

You can always use piped commands.

Purge _tempfile >$null
Echo t filename > _tempfile
Echo d 1 > _tempfile
Echo kq > _tempfile
Echo exit >_tempfile

then

RUN QEDIT.PUB.ROBELLE <_tempfile >$null

Olav

Newton, Ernie wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>According to the manual, a simple forward slash will enable you to run Qedit inside a UDC.
>But, when I try it, the CI returns an "unknown command" error.
>
>What I'm trying to do is delete the first line of a file created during the execution of the UDC.
>
>I've tried to issue the fully-qualified [...]

Spooler question

Joe Barnett — 2012-05-07T10:33:49-04:00

A quick question. When I do a spoolf @;seleq={owner=@.plant75];show i can see all the plant75 spool files.

One of the columes is titled RSPFN. In this colum it has a S on some of the files.

The problem I'm having is we added another plant to this system and since then previous plants spool files keep showing up on the new plant's spoolers. When I look the files always have the S in RSPFN. What does this mean?
is it saying they are doing an SPSAVE to the wrong Q? [...]

CSL Empire Game Has Moved

Tracy Johnson — 2012-05-05T15:19:06-04:00

The old INTEREX Contributed Software Library (CSL) game of Empire that
I've been running for a dozen years has moved from a simple IP address
of 198.212.189.111 to empire.openmpe.com. Games are reset every few
months or so.

The web page at the same IP and other CSL text games have not yet been
moved and are in process.

Ill fate HP Vision project.

Peter M. Eggers — 2012-05-04T12:38:22-07:00

My curiosity got the best of me, and I started to google it. Interesting
how "google" has been added as a verb to the English language, but that is
another subject. ;-)

From CPU Shack:

HP's (and the world's) first fully 32 bit microprocessor was FOCUS (pre
> 1984). It was a huge (at the time) 450,000 transistor chip with a stack
> based instruction set, described as "essentially a gigantic microcodeROM with a simple 32 bit data path bolted to its side". Performance wasn't
> spectacular, but it was used in a pre-Unix workstation from HP. It led to
[...]

Re: QEDIT For Windows Question

Tony Summers — 2012-05-04T20:14:27+01:00

Screen print to follow

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On
Behalf Of Johnson, Ted
Sent: 04 May 2012 18:54
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: [HP3000-L] QEDIT For Windows Question

In QEDIT for Windows how does one delete any row where the first 5
characters are blank. In the command line version I'd do a d i:
:(1/5),a

I am blanking on how to do it in the Windows version. [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Peter M. Eggers — 2012-05-04T11:59:43-07:00

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Denys Beauchemin wrote:

> I do not believe that Vision was the PA-RISC-based system, that was
> Spectrum.
>
> Vision was never released, but I understand some of its technology did go
> into Spectrum.

If memory serves me correctly, Vision was the 32 bit version of the 16 bit
Classic stack based architecture. Since HP had been competing successfully
against 32 bit DEC Vax, IBM 3x, and other minicomputers of the time, a 32
bit version might have been a giant killer. But, I suspect that there are
only [...]

Re: Running Qedit inside a UDC

Francois Desrochers — 2012-05-04T14:05:14-04:00

Ernie,

Try something like

RUN QEDIT.PUB.ROBELLE;PARM=4;INFO="t FILENAME;D 1;K FILENAME,UNN;E"

HTH
François

-----Message d'origine-----
De : HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] De la part de Newton, Ernie
Envoyé : Friday, May 04, 2012 1:47 PM
À : HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Objet : [HP3000-L] Running Qedit inside a UDC

Greetings,

According to the manual, a simple forward slash will enable you to run Qedit inside a UDC.
But, when I try it, the CI returns an "unknown command" error. [...]

Re: Running Qedit inside a UDC

Newton, Ernie — 2012-05-04T18:17:14+00:00

Thanks Francois,

That works and was exactly what I needed.

Ernie

-----Original Message-----
From: Francois Desrochers [mailto:Francois.Desrochers@freschelegacy.com]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:05 AM
To: Newton, Ernie; HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Running Qedit inside a UDC

Ernie,

Try something like

RUN QEDIT.PUB.ROBELLE;PARM=4;INFO="t FILENAME;D 1;K FILENAME,UNN;E"

HTH
François

-----Message d'origine-----
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Re: Running Qedit inside a UDC

donna hofmeister — 2012-05-04T11:20:20-07:00

Ditto what Neil said...

Here's an example from a script of mine:

# build-out a variable with whatever commands you need
setvar _dc_info 't duout;dq "+" (12/12 nomatch);kq duout2;e'
# using a variable keeps the command line short
qedit.pub.robelle '!_dc_info';parm=4>$null

Donna Hofmeister
Allegro Consultants, Inc.
408-252-2330

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
Of Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups)
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:15 AM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Running Qedit inside a UDC [...]

Re: Running Qedit inside a UDC

Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) — 2012-05-04T14:14:37-04:00

Ernie,

Yes it is possible. You need to use the ;info string and put the commands in
the info string with parm=4 or 8 depending on your needs.

Neil Armstrong
Robelle

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
Of Newton, Ernie
Sent: May-04-12 1:47 PM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: [HP3000-L] Running Qedit inside a UDC

Greetings,

According to the manual, a simple forward slash will enable you to run Qedit
inside a UDC.
But, when I try it, the CI returns an "unknown command" error. [...]

Re: QEDIT For Windows Question

Neil Armstrong (Newsgroups) — 2012-05-04T14:11:10-04:00

Dear Ted,

You can either write a script using the scripting language or simply find
and delete. This type of operation is better to do in the command line
version at this time.

Sincerely,

Neil Armstrong
Robelle

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
Of Johnson, Ted
Sent: May-04-12 1:54 PM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: [HP3000-L] QEDIT For Windows Question

In QEDIT for Windows how does one delete any row where the first 5
characters are blank. In the command line version I'd do a d i:
:(1/5),a [...]

QEDIT For Windows Question

Johnson, Ted — 2012-05-04T13:54:25-04:00

In QEDIT for Windows how does one delete any row where the first 5
characters are blank. In the command line version I'd do a d i:
:(1/5),a

I am blanking on how to do it in the Windows version.

Thanks,

Ted

Running Qedit inside a UDC

Newton, Ernie — 2012-05-04T17:47:02+00:00

Greetings,

According to the manual, a simple forward slash will enable you to run Qedit inside a UDC.
But, when I try it, the CI returns an "unknown command" error.

What I'm trying to do is delete the first line of a file created during the execution of the UDC.

I've tried to issue the fully-qualified command "RUN QEDIT.PUB.ROBELLE" and that
will run Qedit, but will not execute the commands that follow. [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Paul Edwards — 2012-05-04T12:17:54-05:00

SUSAN-System Unique Serially Assigned Number.

Re: HPSUSAN origin

John Lee — 2012-05-04T11:34:47-05:00

System Update....?...can't remember the rest.

John Lee

At 07:23 AM 05/04/2012, Dave Huggins wrote:
>Trivia time...does anybody know the origin of HPSUSAN? Has it been
>around since day 1 on the 3000's? Or was it incorporated at a later
>time. Would be helpful if any printed material exists to show when
>she came about.
>
>Thank you all.
>
>* To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
>* etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Denys Beauchemin — 2012-05-04T11:24:31-05:00

I do not believe that Vision was the PA-RISC-based system, that was Spectrum.

Vision was never released, but I understand some of its technology did go into Spectrum.

Denys

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob J.
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 11:14 AM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] HPSUSAN origin

The "stable storage" including HPSUSAN was introduced with the PA-RISC systems then called "Vision". This was also the introduction of tiered user licenses and hardware that could boot both "commercial" and "technical" operating systems. [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Bob J. — 2012-05-04T12:14:08-04:00

The "stable storage" including HPSUSAN was introduced with the PA-RISC
systems then called "Vision". This was also the introduction of tiered
user licenses
and hardware that could boot both "commercial" and "technical" operating
systems.

Bob J. -- Ideal Computer Services
http://www.icsgroup.net

Dave Huggins wrote:

>Trivia time...does anybody know the origin of HPSUSAN? Has it been around since day 1 on the 3000's? Or was it incorporated at a later time. Would be helpful if any printed material exists to show when she came about.
>
>Thank you all.
>
>* To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
[...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Tony Summers — 2012-05-04T14:16:18+01:00

Well hpux has "uname" - a similar concept - which we use (rather sadly)
to create and set HPSUSAN on our MPE emulator sitting on-top of hpux.

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On
Behalf Of Dave Huggins
Sent: 04 May 2012 13:23
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: [HP3000-L] HPSUSAN origin

Trivia time...does anybody know the origin of HPSUSAN? Has it been
around since day 1 on the 3000's? Or was it incorporated at a later
time. Would be helpful if any printed material exists to show when she
came about. [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Denys Beauchemin — 2012-05-04T07:55:23-05:00

That's my recollection as well. HPSUSAN is originally an artifact of the PA-RISC-based systems.

Denys

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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Ranft
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:38 AM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] HPSUSAN origin

If memory serves me correctly, and I may be wrong... The HPSUSAN was introduced when HP moved from the Classic to the PA-RISC based HP3000 systems. [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Cornelia Sellitto — 2012-05-04T08:50:45-04:00

Hmmm - I seem to remember having an HPSUSAN number for our Series 42 -back
in the late 80's

Connie Sellitto

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Mark Ranft wrote:

> If memory serves me correctly, and I may be wrong... The HPSUSAN was
> introduced when HP moved from the Classic to the PA-RISC based HP3000
> systems.
>
> Mark Ranft
> Pro 3K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Dave Huggins
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:23 AM
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> Subject: [HP3000-L] HPSUSAN [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Mark Ranft — 2012-05-04T07:37:42-05:00

If memory serves me correctly, and I may be wrong... The HPSUSAN was introduced when HP moved from the Classic to the PA-RISC based HP3000 systems.

Mark Ranft
Pro 3K

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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf Of Dave Huggins
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:23 AM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Subject: [HP3000-L] HPSUSAN origin

Trivia time...does anybody know the origin of HPSUSAN? Has it been around since day 1 on the 3000's? Or was it incorporated at a later time. Would be helpful if any printed material exists to show when she came about. [...]

Re: HPSUSAN origin

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-04T12:26:24+00:00

I'll have to ask HPPETER, HPEDMUND and HPLUCY!

Tracy Johnson
Office (757) 766-4318
tracy.johnson@meas-spec.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Dave Huggins
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 8:23 AM
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> Subject: [HP3000-L] HPSUSAN origin
>
> Trivia time...does anybody know the origin of HPSUSAN? Has it been around
> since day 1 on the 3000's? Or was it incorporated at a later time. Would
> be helpful if any printed material exists to show when she came about.
>
> Thank you all. [...]

HPSUSAN origin

Dave Huggins — 2012-05-04T08:23:29-04:00

Trivia time...does anybody know the origin of HPSUSAN? Has it been around since day 1 on the 3000's? Or was it incorporated at a later time. Would be helpful if any printed material exists to show when she came about.

Thank you all.

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Re: Two HP3000s, one DTC, one problem.

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-03T15:22:44+00:00

Yep.

I've had several responses. It appears my behavior is normal if not using OpenView. It was my memory that was conflicting.

Tracy Johnson
Office (757) 766-4318
tracy.johnson@meas-spec.com

From: Craig Lalley [mailto:mr_lalley@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:18 AM
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU; Johnson, Tracy
Subject: Re: Two HP3000s, one DTC, one problem.

Are you DTC's on thinlan?

-Craig

--- On Thu, 5/3/12, Johnson, Tracy wrote: [...]

Re: Two HP3000s, one DTC, one problem.

Craig Lalley — 2012-05-03T08:18:01-07:00

Are you DTC's on thinlan?

-Craig

--- On Thu, 5/3/12, Johnson, Tracy wrote:

From: Johnson, Tracy
Subject: Two HP3000s, one DTC, one problem.
To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012, 7:54 AM

Have a minor problem with one DTC and two HP3000s.

They are both configured exactly the same in NMMGR. Same MAC address, same profile. Same card. Both HP3000s refer it by the same LDEV number 404. Device is spooled on both HP3000s. [...]

Two HP3000s, one DTC, one problem.

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-03T14:54:43+00:00

Have a minor problem with one DTC and two HP3000s.

They are both configured exactly the same in NMMGR. Same MAC address, same profile. Same card. Both HP3000s refer it by the same LDEV number 404. Device is spooled on both HP3000s.

However only one HP3000 at-a-time prints to the LDEV.

This is different than in the past, both HP3000s had always been willing to print sharing the same DTC. [...]

Re: Attention former or current CALLBACK users...

Johnson, Tracy — 2012-05-02T03:56:07+00:00

We sent a whole PC unit back to the Callback folks a year or so ago.

Tracy Johnson
Office (757) 766-4318
tracy.johnson@meas-spec.com

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> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 4:53 PM
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> Subject: [HP3000-L] Attention former or current CALLBACK users...
>
> Anybody on the list currently or formerly using the CALLBACK/3000
> product from Design 3000? We recently plugged the PC that CALLBACK
> uses into the wrong voltage in our data center and blew out a bunch of
> components that [...]

Old-school 36Gb drives (LVD drives for DS2300 shelf)?

Jeff Kell — 2012-05-01T18:31:15-04:00

Anyone happen to have some LDV UltraSCSI 36Gb drives handy, preferably
mounted for a HP DS2300 shelf?

Mapper identifies them as HP 36.4G MAS3367NC or HP 36.4G ST336753LC
(former P/N matches the one we're having issues with).

If so, please shoot me a quote for one (preferably two for a future
spare) offline.

Jeff

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Attention former or current CALLBACK users...

Mark Landin — 2012-05-01T15:52:50-05:00

Anybody on the list currently or formerly using the CALLBACK/3000
product from Design 3000? We recently plugged the PC that CALLBACK
uses into the wrong voltage in our data center and blew out a bunch of
components that are proving very very difficult to replace. We
specifically need a DB-9 serial port that connects back to the CPU
through the DTC. [...]

Re: 12h autoraid

Jack Connor — 2012-05-01T13:51:12-07:00

I went through the service manual on it, but I can't find anything specifying which is which. They do recommend replacement in pairs and only if one controller has good batteries.

The replacement recommendation is to shut down the 12H from the front panel, wait for it to shut down cleanly, then remove ONLY the controller with bad batteries and replace same. [...]

Re: 12h autoraid

Ryan C. Melander — 2012-05-01T13:49:21-07:00

If one controller batteries are going dead, you need to change all of them.
There are two batteries per controller.

Ryan C. Melander
V.P. Operations
Ideal Computer Services, Inc.
88 Wright Brothers Ave.
Livermore, CA 94551
Ph. 800-862-8787
Ph. 925-447-4747 x213
Fx. 925-447-4780
mailto:ryanm@icsgroup.com

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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU] On Behalf
Of Gilles Schipper
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] 12h autoraid [...]

Re: 12h autoraid

Gilles Schipper — 2012-05-01T16:37:48-04:00

The one that's DEAD.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Gilles Schipper
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416-702-7900

On 2012-05-01, at 10:22 AM, Al nizzardini wrote:

> Hello all, I am getting following display from arraydsp command:
>
>
> Controller X:
> Overall
> state = GOOD
> Battery #0
> state = GOOD
> Battery #1
> state = DEAD
> DRAM #0 state = GOOD
> NVRAM #0 state = GOOD
> NVRAM #1 state = GOOD
> Controller Y:
> Overall
> state = GOOD
> Battery #0
> state = GOOD
> Battery #1
> state = GOOD
> [...]

12h autoraid

Al nizzardini — 2012-05-01T07:22:47-07:00

Hello all, I am getting following display from arraydsp command: Controller X: Overall state = GOOD Battery #0 state = GOOD Battery #1 state = DEAD DRAM #0 state = GOOD NVRAM #0 state = GOOD NVRAM #1 state = GOOD Controller Y: Overall state = GOOD Battery #0 state = GOOD Battery #1 state = GOOD DRAM #0 state = GOOD NVRAM #0 state = GOOD NVRAM #1 state = GOOD Controller X is having issues: Battery #1. I know the procedure [...]